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Mi chiamo Rafael Garcia e vivo in Spagna, ho acquistato da poco un APE tM 703V, non ha il motore. Nel mio paese non ho potuto farlo e mi hanno consigliato di cercarlo in Italia, potete consigliarmi dei negozi di ricambi seri e professionali?
Grazie mille in anticipo.

Buenos dias Rafa 1966.

Me llevo muy bien con un sitio llamado Bicasbia (cuyo enlace dejo a continuación). Ya les he comprado 4 veces desde julio y las piezas, además de ser exactamente como se describen (incluso tienen los códigos de los recambios originales de piaggio en la web), han llegado incluso antes de los plazos de envío indicados en la web.

Hazme saber si te ayuda.

https://www.bicasbia.it

¡Que tengas un buen día!

Rafael,

Entonces, su Ape no tiene motor por completo o tiene uno que necesita reparación? Hay muchos lugares para buscar, y hay varias personas aquí y en las comunidades de Facebook que venden Ape completo que pueden tener acceso a alguien que vende un motor completo. Buena Suerte!

Mario

Desafortunadamente no tengo motor para vender, de hecho estoy arreglando el mío porque se me gripó la semana pasada y aún no he averiguado el motivo.
Si buscas un producto específico puedes poner un anuncio en esta sección viewforum.php?f=2 quizás alguien pueda ayudarte.

¡Buena suerte!

You may find something on Subito, a brief search gave me: https://www.subito.it/accessori-auto/mo ... 042456.htm

Hard to tell if they ship to Spain. Ask as it cost nothing to do it, who knows..

Also be advised that those motors are with all the best possibility in a bad state and require a lot of work in order to be operational again.

Moly69 ha scritto: ↑24 ottobre 2022, 8:34 Buenos dias Rafa 1966.

Me llevo muy bien con un sitio llamado Bicasbia (cuyo enlace dejo a continuación). Ya les he comprado 4 veces desde julio y las piezas, además de ser exactamente como se describen (incluso tienen los códigos de los recambios originales de piaggio en la web), han llegado incluso antes de los plazos de envío indicados en la web.

Hazme saber si te ayuda.

https://www.bicasbia.it

¡Que tengas un buen día!

Grazie mille per le tue informazioni Moly69, è utile.
Cordiali saluti dalla Spagna

brugnara ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 13:29 You may find something on Subito, a brief search gave me: https://www.subito.it/accessori-auto/mo ... 042456.htm

Hard to tell if they ship to Spain. Ask as it cost nothing to do it, who knows..

Also be advised that those motors are with all the best possibility in a bad state and require a lot of work in order to be operational again.

I agree with his words, but here in Spain I can't find anything. The official services ask me for 2000 euros for a new one, including postage, I can't find it in the scrapyard. here in Spain my Ape was sold very little, instead the 50 cubic centimeters there are many. Thank you very much for your advice, a big hug from Spain.

MarioNYC ha scritto: ↑24 ottobre 2022, 17:31 Rafael,

Entonces, su Ape no tiene motor por completo o tiene uno que necesita reparación? Hay muchos lugares para buscar, y hay varias personas aquí y en las comunidades de Facebook que venden Ape completo que pueden tener acceso a alguien que vende un motor completo. Buena Suerte!

Mario

Grazie mille Mr. Mario per le sue informazioni, seguirò il suo consiglio.
Un rispettoso saluto dalla Spagna

Rafa1966 ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 13:59
MarioNYC ha scritto: ↑24 ottobre 2022, 17:31 Rafael,

Entonces, su Ape no tiene motor por completo o tiene uno que necesita reparación? Hay muchos lugares para buscar, y hay varias personas aquí y en las comunidades de Facebook que venden Ape completo que pueden tener acceso a alguien que vende un motor completo. Buena Suerte!

Mario
Grazie mille Mr. Mario per le sue informazioni, seguirò il suo consiglio.
Un rispettoso saluto dalla Spagna

No problem, and I too was going to recommend subito for your search. I did get a complete running engine for my Vespa Automatica directly from Japan, so you should have better luck closer to the continent there, not necessarily from Japan but Europe. Are there any local Vespa groups to join or any luck with Facebook groups for the Ape?

brugnara ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 13:29 You may find something on Subito, a brief search gave me: https://www.subito.it/accessori-auto/mo ... 042456.htm

Hard to tell if they ship to Spain. Ask as it cost nothing to do it, who knows..

Also be advised that those motors are with all the best possibility in a bad state and require a lot of work in order to be operational again.

Doesn't look to be a bad find, and the seller deals with engines of all types. If the price is right, this could be the start of a process to learn about rebuilding and replacing seals and checking wear points. Don't know how they arrived at that price.

$\:D/$

It is a standard price for an engine here in Italy. The problem is that you don't know how it was used, how many chilometers it has and if it works, for how long you can use it and if there are hidden broken parts. Basicly you are just gambling against the future yourself.

We should consider that a 2 strokes engine of this kind, may require a lot of replacements, and for me the pain point was the aspiration valve that caused me to change the whole engine frame (priced 1.100€,

), just as an example. Add another 1.500€ of parts and do the math.

A professional may ask you at least 1.000€ just to reassemble the engine and since it requires tools you will not find to buy, I strongly recommend you to think twice before starting this project. Just as and example, there are no way to put the crankshaft in place without the Piaggio tool, and here in Italy I asked a Piaggio service to do the job, because one may just want to avoid using the hammer

I don't know if in Spain there are someone able to do this, maybe I'm wrong.

Let me conclude saying that here in Italy, many people consider to change the Ape when the engine is broken, because it costs a lot of money to fix it and it is just not worth it. Outside the Italy there are even more difficulties to find pieces and the price will be a pain.

An Ape 50 could obviously be more affordable, in my opinion, since it shares many pieces within the Vespa and the community around them are flourish compared to the TM.

brugnara ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 16:36 It is a standard price for an engine here in Italy. The problem is that you don't know how it was used, how many chilometers it has and if it works...

Excellent points. It all depends upon how much you really want to have that Ape back and running or choose another project. In the US here the Ape is a rarity, so any possibility of getting parts which I can afford versus the enjoyment I get afterwards is what I have to consider. We too had many vehicles here that when broken down it was easier to junk them rather than maintain them or rebuild them. Some I remember back on and could kick myself as their prices now, even as junk, are far and above what I would have ever paid for one back when I bought mine.

I think one of Rafa's questions may have been whether he could substitute an Ape 50 engine (+drivetrain?) into his Ape TM, and that would probably not be a great idea as well.

The best way if he were to keep the current Ape would be to have the support locally or within Spain of a club or another collector who could help.

MarioNYC ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 16:02
Rafa1966 ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 13:59
MarioNYC ha scritto: ↑24 ottobre 2022, 17:31 Rafael,

Entonces, su Ape no tiene motor por completo o tiene uno que necesita reparación? Hay muchos lugares para buscar, y hay varias personas aquí y en las comunidades de Facebook que venden Ape completo que pueden tener acceso a alguien que vende un motor completo. Buena Suerte!

Mario
Grazie mille Mr. Mario per le sue informazioni, seguirò il suo consiglio.
Un rispettoso saluto dalla Spagna
No problem, and I too was going to recommend subito for your search. I did get a complete running engine for my Vespa Automatica directly from Japan, so you should have better luck closer to the continent there, not necessarily from Japan but Europe. Are there any local Vespa groups to join or any luck with Facebook groups for the Ape?

There is a group on Facebook called VESPACAR ESPAÑA, its partners work a lot with Vespacars but not with APEs, I recommend you visit it, thank you very much for your support of my project.

MarioNYC ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 16:15
brugnara ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 13:29 You may find something on Subito, a brief search gave me: https://www.subito.it/accessori-auto/mo ... 042456.htm

Hard to tell if they ship to Spain. Ask as it cost nothing to do it, who knows..

Also be advised that those motors are with all the best possibility in a bad state and require a lot of work in order to be operational again.
Doesn't look to be a bad find, and the seller deals with engines of all types. If the price is right, this could be the start of a process to learn about rebuilding and replacing seals and checking wear points. Don't know how they arrived at that price. $\:D/$

My hobby is building 1/35 scale models, I have never restored any vehicle but for me this APE is my first 1/1 scale model, hahaha

brugnara ha scritto: ↑25 ottobre 2022, 16:36 It is a standard price for an engine here in Italy. The problem is that you don't know how it was used, how many chilometers it has and if it works, for how long you can use it and if there are hidden broken parts. Basicly you are just gambling against the future yourself.

We should consider that a 2 strokes engine of this kind, may require a lot of replacements, and for me the pain point was the aspiration valve that caused me to change the whole engine frame (priced 1.100€, ), just as an example. Add another 1.500€ of parts and do the math.

A professional may ask you at least 1.000€ just to reassemble the engine and since it requires tools you will not find to buy, I strongly recommend you to think twice before starting this project. Just as and example, there are no way to put the crankshaft in place without the Piaggio tool, and here in Italy I asked a Piaggio service to do the job, because one may just want to avoid using the hammer

I don't know if in Spain there are someone able to do this, maybe I'm wrong.

Let me conclude saying that here in Italy, many people consider to change the Ape when the engine is broken, because it costs a lot of money to fix it and it is just not worth it. Outside the Italy there are even more difficulties to find pieces and the price will be a pain.

An Ape 50 could obviously be more affordable, in my opinion, since it shares many pieces within the Vespa and the community around them are flourish compared to the TM.

Thank you very much for your note, that's why I'm thinking if I have problems putting a 50 motor on it, I only want it to take rides with it on weekends. Do you think that a 50 motor has the strength to move my Ape? Here in Spain there are more spare parts for 50 cubic centimeter motors.

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